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Re: Madden Xtreme DB Editor Discussion Thread

Postby MikeWest502 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:24 pm

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Are the team ratings just cosmetic and have no bearing on the game outcome? On the preview exe you can see on the team header the ratings as they are on the team table and on the ratings on the bottom the offense is based on the QBs+RBs+OLs+WRs / 4 and the defense is based on the Special Teams+LBs+DLs+DBs / 4. The overall rating is based on the offense+defense / 2.

The all time and europe teams are almost a match from the ratings above and below but some of the NFL teams are way off.

So what do you guys think, does the team ratings have any affect on the game and should the editor correct the ratings based on the bottom half ratings?

https://www.mediafire.com/file/b2wlh77lhvpozs9/MXDBEpreview2.zip/file


The Team OVR Rating are not cosmetic numbers. They do represent how well teams will perform. Teams with higher ovr normally have more higher rated players. They win more. Playing against cpu opponents with higher team ovr will give more of a challenge. They make more plays, called for less penalties and will normally have better win-loss record than teams with lower ovr.

I did a breakdown before with the custom team types that had more detailed data. This is a sample. The other report has the exact number of players within ovr ranges 90-99, 80-89 etc.

Team Type OVR
All-Madden 93: has 14 players rated 90 or above. W-L record 13-3, 14-2 in custom franchise.
Air it Out 80: has 2 players rated 90 or above. W-L 12-4, 11-5, few 10-6.
Smashmouth 79: Higher rated player on OL,DL,RB, others are good to average. W-L 10-6, 9-7
Balanced 78: Number of players with highest ovr equal on offense and defense. W-L 8-8, 7-9,6-10
Strong Offense 78: Higher number of better rated players on offense. W-L Same as above
Strong Defense 78: Higher number of better rated players on defense. W-L same as Balanced also.
CupCake 61 - No players rated above 76. W-L record normally 3-13, 4-12.

The calculations you're using won't give you an exact or correct team ovr number. You may be 1-4 points off using your calculation. I don't think the special teams rating plays a role in team's ovr either. I am sure the teams ovr are calculated only using offense/defense numbers rounded up or down .5.

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Re: Madden Xtreme DB Editor Discussion Thread

Postby elguapo » Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:03 am

MikeWest502 wrote:
elguapo wrote:
Are the team ratings just cosmetic and have no bearing on the game outcome? On the preview exe you can see on the team header the ratings as they are on the team table and on the ratings on the bottom the offense is based on the QBs+RBs+OLs+WRs / 4 and the defense is based on the Special Teams+LBs+DLs+DBs / 4. The overall rating is based on the offense+defense / 2.

The all time and europe teams are almost a match from the ratings above and below but some of the NFL teams are way off.

So what do you guys think, does the team ratings have any affect on the game and should the editor correct the ratings based on the bottom half ratings?

https://www.mediafire.com/file/b2wlh77lhvpozs9/MXDBEpreview2.zip/file


The Team OVR Rating are not cosmetic numbers. They do represent how well teams will perform. Teams with higher ovr normally have more higher rated players. They win more. Playing against cpu opponents with higher team ovr will give more of a challenge. They make more plays, called for less penalties and will normally have better win-loss record than teams with lower ovr.

I did a breakdown before with the custom team types that had more detailed data. This is a sample. The other report has the exact number of players within ovr ranges 90-99, 80-89 etc.

Team Type OVR
All-Madden 93: has 14 players rated 90 or above. W-L record 13-3, 14-2 in custom franchise.
Air it Out 80: has 2 players rated 90 or above. W-L 12-4, 11-5, few 10-6.
Smashmouth 79: Higher rated player on OL,DL,RB, others are good to average. W-L 10-6, 9-7
Balanced 78: Number of players with highest ovr equal on offense and defense. W-L 8-8, 7-9,6-10
Strong Offense 78: Higher number of better rated players on offense. W-L Same as above
Strong Defense 78: Higher number of better rated players on defense. W-L same as Balanced also.
CupCake 61 - No players rated above 76. W-L record normally 3-13, 4-12.

The calculations you're using won't give you an exact or correct team ovr number. You may be 1-4 points off using your calculation. I don't think the special teams rating plays a role in team's ovr either. I am sure the teams ovr are calculated only using offense/defense numbers rounded up or down .5.


I went over to Madden Amp and noticed another field that might give an edge to a team. I think it was the TREP field. (I think I added it to the latest preview of mxdbe)

When I sim a franchise I noticed the Patriots almost always making the playoffs. I swapped the values for the cowboys and the Patriots and then the cowboys started making the playoffs more often. It wasn't an in depth test so I'm still not 100% if that's the case.

If I didn't delete the preview exe I'll upload to make it easy to swap the team values.

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Re: Madden Xtreme DB Editor Discussion Thread

Postby MikeWest502 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:18 pm

elguapo wrote:
I went over to Madden Amp and noticed another field that might give an edge to a team. I think it was the TREP field. (I think I added it to the latest preview of mxdbe)

When I sim a franchise I noticed the Patriots almost always making the playoffs. I swapped the values for the cowboys and the Patriots and then the cowboys started making the playoffs more often. It wasn't an in depth test so I'm still not 100% if that's the case.

If I didn't delete the preview exe I'll upload to make it easy to swap the team values.


That field may be the Team Reputation field, similar to the Prestige.

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Re: Madden Xtreme DB Editor Discussion Thread

Postby jose21crisis » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:58 pm

MikeWest502 wrote:
elguapo wrote:
I went over to Madden Amp and noticed another field that might give an edge to a team. I think it was the TREP field. (I think I added it to the latest preview of mxdbe)

When I sim a franchise I noticed the Patriots almost always making the playoffs. I swapped the values for the cowboys and the Patriots and then the cowboys started making the playoffs more often. It wasn't an in depth test so I'm still not 100% if that's the case.

If I didn't delete the preview exe I'll upload to make it easy to swap the team values.


That field may be the Team Reputation field, similar to the Prestige.

Yep. TREP is Team Reputation. The biggest effect I've seen from it is how likely are free agents to sign with you. A team with low TREP will need a bigger offer to lure a free agent compared to a high TREP team. I think it might also affect player morale on the team, but this one I'm not completely sure. I actually did a research about what increases or decreases TREP. Basically, the more a team screws up, the lower TREP goes, the harder it becomes for them to get premium FAs, rinse and repeat. A classic EA positive feedback loop.
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Re: Madden Xtreme DB Editor Discussion Thread

Postby MikeWest502 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:58 am

jose21crisis wrote:
MikeWest502 wrote:
That field may be the Team Reputation field, similar to the Prestige.


Yep. TREP is Team Reputation. The biggest effect I've seen from it is how likely are free agents to sign with you. A team with low TREP will need a bigger offer to lure a free agent compared to a high TREP team. I think it might also affect player morale on the team, but this one I'm not completely sure. I actually did a research about what increases or decreases TREP. Basically, the more a team screws up, the lower TREP goes, the harder it becomes for them to get premium FAs, rinse and repeat. A classic EA positive feedback loop.


Playing the PS2 version I also noticed that players have an associated rating the determines if they even care about a team's reputation. Some players only care about the money. And as long as a team can pay them what they ask for, they don't mind playing for losers. And I've seen that in the real NFL where a player is on a super bowl contender, but signs a big contract with a very weak team the following season.

If you play the Madden Superstar mode, there's a "Lone Wolf" role designated for selfish players, who complains often, only play for themselves, stats, money and does not care if the team wins or loses.


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