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gjo59
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XOR NFL Challenge

Postby gjo59 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:35 pm

I came to this forum in a round-about way, in that I was looking for roster data to use in modding an old DOS game: XOR's NFL Challenge.
(It was the first simulation to use actual NFL player data - sort of an ancestor to Madden)

I ultimately wrote a tool to convert Madden 08 roster files into the necessary format.

I have occasionally seen roster dumps from newer versions of Madden. If there is not an existing utility, and if there are reliable sources for such data dumps, I could re purpose my code to convert new Madden roster data into the older ('08) format.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Greg

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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby zonecadet » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:46 pm

G'day Greg,

Been a fan of NFL Challenge since back in the day. I have 1985 USFL team files and 1995 WLAF team files if they interest you? I'd love to know how you convert the MAdden files to XOR format......

Regards,

Wessley

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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby TheSchwami » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:51 am

GJO59 - saw your comments at abandonware and techmo bowl and was able to download your MSACCESS kit for Madden 08 to XOR NFL CHALLENGE Roster Conversion

Excellent work and I really cannot THANK YOU enough. There are a couple of things I would like to ask you:

1. XOR_Skills.txt works, so I can mix and match variables to "define" my own formula for a "rating". However, if I attempt to extract values from the OVERALL RATING column, error message says something to the affect "attempting to import MULTIPLE TABLES in your FROM statement".

2. The online game download has XOR NFL CHALLENGE v2.01 from 08/08/1989, with the 320K version of the NFL.EXE. The CURVES.NFL file revision is dated: 04/03/86

I remember there is another version for those who had 640K memory, which allowed the user to run off the HD and not have to access the data from floppy. But, that is not why I seek it.

The 512K verson of NFL.EXE had modified code and a later CURVES file. I remember those two XOR files addressed the excessive TURNOVER issue, and partially helped the 1-6 defense BUG or blitz cheat issue.

In closing, do you know of anyone who might have a later NFL.EXE or Curves version?
Also, any assist is appreciated in extracting OVERALL RATING direct to the player values.

Regards - DaSchwam

Helpful Links for those who do not wish to spend days on Google finding them:

DBGL (DosBox) it works like a charm. http://members.quicknet.nl/blankendaalr/dbgl/

From GJo59 MSACCESS kit for Madden 08 Roster XLS to XOR NFL CHALLENGE Roster Conversion:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/rvwqlyhyz ... to_XOR.zip

From raiderfan2kx at Techmo with 85, 88, 90, 91 Team Disks, Game Situation Development System and Roster Editor: http://tecmobowl.org/applications/core/ ... hp?id=6808

From stratonascar at Techmo with most seasons from 1966 - 2016 and Greatest Teams 1941 - 2015 utilizing GJo59 conversion kit:
http://tecmobowl.org/applications/core/ ... p?id=15697

From RogerJinx at Footballidiot 2017-2018 Latest Madden 08 Roster converted from Madden 18:
http://www.footballidiot.com/forum/view ... 12&t=19457

XOR NFL CHALLENGE can be downloaded at:
XTCAbandonware: http://www.xtcabandonware.com/game/1896/nfl-challenge
MyAbandonware: https://www.myabandonware.com/game/nfl-challenge-68
OldGames: http://www.old-games.com/download/4791/nfl-challenge

Documentation:
User Guide and Playbooks: http://videofootballleague.com/docs/nflchal.pdf
Addendum for Version 2.01: http://videofootballleague.com/docs/nflchaladd.pdf
Xor Catalog: http://www.mocagh.org/miscgame/xor-catalog.pdf

Links to relevant conversations and docs:
http://tecmobowl.org/forum/topic/13407- ... nge-alive/
http://tecmobowl.org/forums/topic/68908 ... ent-474079
https://www.experts-exchange.com/questi ... oblem.html
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/s ... ost4135457

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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby TheSchwami » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:53 am

Zonecadet - Would love to have those USFL and WFL ball teams. Please see my post to GJo59 for some interesting links. Do you have a later version of those files I mentioned? Cheers DaSchwam

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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby stratonascar » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:06 pm

I'm Still Working on my renovated NFL Challenge to Included More Seasons including the 1987 Season that I discovered but I've added player names to the .NFL Files as well as some more Greatest College Football Classic Teams and the 2017 NCAA Football Season, So the File will be uploaded ASAP.

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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby gjo59 » Thu May 03, 2018 1:57 pm

I regret not replying sooner.

With respect to editing the Skills.txt file to customize how the Madden to XOR tool works:

If there is an error message complaining that the name is used in multiple tables, such as with "Overall Rating", the solution is to preface the column name in question with "Players.", so [Overall Rating] becomes [Players.Overall Rating]. So (for example) changing the query for the QBs Pass rating to equal the overall Madden rating would be:

Old: Pass, Int(([throw power]+[throw accuracy])/2), "'QB'"
New: Pass, [Players.Overall Rating], "'QB'"

Internally both the table holding the Madden data and the output XOR data have a column with this same name. This is actually a database design failure on my part, although adding the ability to modify the queries via the skills file was a last minute addition which I didn't thoroughly test.

Greg

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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby Nps » Sun May 13, 2018 9:18 am

Hi All - enjoying all the NFL Challenge teams!!! Where can I get the College Great teams file?

Neil

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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby stratonascar » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:56 pm

The College Great Teams File is Avaliable for Download Here, However I Want to see how can we convert rosters from the New Madden NFL 19 PC Game to XOR NFL Challenge, #JustThinking
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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby unc879wins » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:48 pm

Any updates on current rosters for NFL Challenge? I was one of the folks who paid for the Premium Edition up front and never received the final product. I remember looking at the brochure for the Windows based version they were planning to release. Then the collapse, lol. Always dig out the DOS BOX every now and then and enjoy playing the original version. I have modified the main screen to add more teams to the various conferences so I can select new teams if they were installed.

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Re: XOR NFL Challenge

Postby stratonascar » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:51 pm

unc879wins, Okay, But I'm Expecting the 2018 Season to go up at anytime soon as well as all the added seasons will uploaded at a later time

Also: I've Named all the players in a 1987 NFL File, That will be placed as part of this set coming soon along with Season Files from 1997-1999, Probably Someone at NFL Challenge contribute to the 2000 NFL Season Roster as well as the 1992-1994 NFL Season Roster so they can upload it to me

Other Things that Someone Needs to Upload despite XOR did it previously that we want to add are: Greatest Teams Disk (1966-1988) (Bonus points if you can add the 1969 Cleveland Browns, 1980 Buffalo Bills, 1981 Cincinnati Bengals & 1983 New Orleans Saints from the Earlier Greatest Teams Disk to this Updated Version complete with Player Names), NFL Dream Season Disk (As Seen ESPN as it aired 29 years ago in 1989), And 3 College Teams Disk (1990, 1991 & College Alumni) so they need to be uploaded to this post.

And To Top That Off: I Want to See the 1977 NFL Season Disk for XOR NFL Challenge being uploaded to this post using the 1977 Madden File, So I Hope it could fill the gap of 1970's Style Pro Football for NFL Challenge (So we got 1976, 1978 & 1979 in this game that we're uploading soon, so add '77!)


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