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Postby JSamuel » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:47 pm

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Re: Raiders In Vegas

Postby Danchat » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:59 pm

I feel for the Raiders fans in Oakland. From what I understand, they always sold out most of the stadium and they're passionate (unlike the Rams and Chargers who have recently moved - they had troubles getting anyone in the stadium). Not a fan of how baseball and football have been pushing the need for mega-stadiums (Atlanta Braves are already getting a new stadium even though their current one (opened in 1997) was already fine).

Also, as a Vikings fan, it seems getting the new stadium was important or else this team really could have relocated.
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Re: Raiders In Vegas

Postby BelieverInTeal » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:17 am

Of all the owners who have pro sports teams in the last 20 years or so, I think Mark Davis deserves the least amount of blame. He's the only owner I know who makes most of his money off the team he owns. The deal he's getting in Las Vegas is far better than what he can get in Oakland so it's hard to say he should still stay in Oakland when the difference is as great as it is. Furthermore, this makes Las Vegas a contender when the next round of Super Bowl rights are up for bidding.
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Postby 1312qohelet » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:23 am

BelieverInTeal wrote:Of all the owners who have pro sports teams in the last 20 years or so, I think Mark Davis deserves the least amount of blame. He's the only owner I know who makes most of his money off the team he owns. The deal he's getting in Las Vegas is far better than what he can get in Oakland so it's hard to say he should still stay in Oakland when the difference is as great as it is. Furthermore, this makes Las Vegas a contender when the next round of Super Bowl rights are up for bidding.

I always feel for the fans when a team moves...it's gotta be rough.

Of the Rams and Chargers, one will be out of Los Angeles in 10 years....possibly both.
L.A. is simply not an NFL city. They've proved that over and over. Couple that with the fact that they've inherited two bottom-shelf franchises, it's going to end quick and it's going to end badly.

The Raiders, on the other hand, are a top-10 organization, with a ton of potential.
Plus, Las Vegas is going to be a great sports city, if it's not already.
The Vegas Raiders = Big Win.
The only downside that I can see, is the fact that they won't actually play in L.V., until what - 2019??
That is plenty of time for a good team to sink.
Neither of the previous Super Bowl teams were able to make the playoffs this year.
Sure, both are still highly regarded...just food for thought.

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Postby RevanFan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:06 am

1312qohelet wrote:
BelieverInTeal wrote:Of all the owners who have pro sports teams in the last 20 years or so, I think Mark Davis deserves the least amount of blame. He's the only owner I know who makes most of his money off the team he owns. The deal he's getting in Las Vegas is far better than what he can get in Oakland so it's hard to say he should still stay in Oakland when the difference is as great as it is. Furthermore, this makes Las Vegas a contender when the next round of Super Bowl rights are up for bidding.

I always feel for the fans when a team moves...it's gotta be rough.

Of the Rams and Chargers, one will be out of Los Angeles in 10 years....possibly both.
L.A. is simply not an NFL city. They've proved that over and over. Couple that with the fact that they've inherited two bottom-shelf franchises, it's going to end quick and it's going to end badly.

The Raiders, on the other hand, are a top-10 organization, with a ton of potential.
Plus, Las Vegas is going to be a great sports city, if it's not already.
The Vegas Raiders = Big Win.
The only downside that I can see, is the fact that they won't actually play in L.V., until what - 2019??
That is plenty of time for a good team to sink.
Neither of the previous Super Bowl teams were able to make the playoffs this year.
Sure, both are still highly regarded...just food for thought.

The Rams were in LA for a LONG, LONG time before going to St. Louis. I would argue the Rams belong there. The Chargers, however, most certainly do not.
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Re: Raiders In Vegas

Postby 1312qohelet » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:59 am

RevanFan wrote:The Rams were in LA for a LONG, LONG time before going to St. Louis. I would argue the Rams belong there. The Chargers, however, most certainly do not.

Why would you argue? I can dig that....historically, the Rams are loved in L.A.
I just don't believe the current city of Los Angeles will support either franchise, for very long.
Money's not the issue. It's the overall disinterest.

But we all know that winning and winning right away will bring, and hold all the love and attention they'll need.

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Postby JSamuel » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:10 am

1312qohelet wrote:
RevanFan wrote:The Rams were in LA for a LONG, LONG time before going to St. Louis. I would argue the Rams belong there. The Chargers, however, most certainly do not.

Why would you argue? I can dig that....historically, the Rams are loved in L.A.
I just don't believe the current city of Los Angeles will support either franchise, for very long.
Money's not the issue. It's the overall disinterest.

But we all know that winning and winning right away will bring, and hold all the love and attention they'll need.

I liked the Rams move. I agree with Revan, that they belong in LA.

I like the Raiders move. It's great that Nevada's getting their first pro sports team. I remember how exited everyone here was when we got the Thunder.

I do not like the Chargers move. The Chargers were in LA one year before they moved to San Diego, and they've had a loyal fan base there for a long time. Plus, like qohelet said, LA can barely support one team, let alone two. Everyone there likes basketball and baseball. (I know some people from LA... they don't care about the NFL, and they say no one they know does. Everyone just likes the Lakers and the Angels/Dodgers).
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Re: Raiders In Vegas

Postby AaronS » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:08 am

I've got a bunch of thoughts on this.. I'll try not to ramble.

I just can't fathom this from a financial standpoint.

The San Jose-San Fran-Oakland metro population is roughly 8.7 million. The Vegas metro area is about 1/4 that size, 2.5 million people... it's the Sonics moving to OKC all over again. The Raiders are abandoning a booming, large market for a much, MUCH smaller one. While it may look like a sweet deal now, in 30 years, it's just bad buisness, plain and simple.

The Bay area is a tech hub, which means yuppies with money to burn and huge companies willing to pay top dollar on marketing. Vegas is the polar opposite. Working class America, with Casinos owned by huge corporations that know how to bleed every dime out of their business. Davis is getting a nice payout on the front end, but what about the back end? There's simply no way Mark Davis isn't leaving big money on the table.

Furthermore, the population are mostly transplants! They're not going to root for "the home team", they're going to be rooting for the Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, or whoever "their" team is. Vegas stands to have one of the worst home field advantages in the League.

.. last, the NFL should force Mark Davis and Dean Spanos to sell their football teams. They're a couple trust fund babies who's entire net wealth is tied directly to their football team. They're leaving their cities beacuse they have no money to invest. But for the League to leave the San Diego and the Bay Area markets is rediculous. Those are two of the wealthiest regions in this country. The League NEEDS football there. Instead, they're allowing Davis to operate like the NBA, cornering an outpost (Salt Lake, Sacremento, OKC) while exiting one of the top 5 areas in the U.S.

Bad buisness, I can't see it any other way. And this League has rarely, if ever, made bad buisness decisions.
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Re: Raiders In Vegas

Postby 1312qohelet » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:40 pm

AaronS wrote:I've got a bunch of thoughts on this.. I'll try not to ramble.

I just can't fathom this from a financial standpoint.

The San Jose-San Fran-Oakland metro population is roughly 8.7 million. The Vegas metro area is about 1/4 that size, 2.5 million people... it's the Sonics moving to OKC all over again. The Raiders are abandoning a booming, large market for a much, MUCH smaller one. While it may look like a sweet deal now, in 30 years, it's just bad buisness, plain and simple.


Nevada is an immensely wealthy state.
The Raiders proposed stadium is being built entirely with out tax-payer money.
I should say, no Income-Tax money. From what I have read, they'll place a tax on hotel rooms....if this is not true, please correct me.
Sports media outlets often report inaccurate details.

But, I believe the Raiders in Vegas is absolutely good business. Just ask Mark Davis. He worked very hard to keep the team in Oakland, but the difference in money is so big, he couldn't refuse.
Did he sell-out?? Yeah, probably, but he also cashed in.....big time.

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Re: Raiders In Vegas

Postby AaronS » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:57 pm

1312qohelet wrote:Nevada is an immensely wealthy state.
The Raiders proposed stadium is being built entirely with out tax-payer money.
I should say, no Income-Tax money. From what I have read, they'll place a tax on hotel rooms....if this is not true, please correct me.
Sports media outlets often report inaccurate details.

But, I believe the Raiders in Vegas is absolutely good business. Just ask Mark Davis. He worked very hard to keep the team in Oakland, but the difference in money is so big, he couldn't refuse.
Did he sell-out?? Yeah, probably, but he also cashed in.....big time.


Yes, DAVIS cashed in. This is a HUGE loss for the League, IMO.

I don't believe the public ANYWHERE should be in teh buisness of giving TAX dollars to BILLIONAIRES. Thats part of the problem here. Davis has no money to invest, and won't sell chunks of the team to make it happen. If the League was smart, they'd push him out and keep the team in the Bay Area. Its the smart long-term move. This is nothing but a money grab.

.. I'm okay with a team in Vegas. I thought the NBA would be the first League there. Honestly, I'll go catch a game or two at some point. But I think the novelty will wear off in a big hurry. Vegas isn't what it was 10 years ago. Its adult Disney Land now. You can fly there cheap, and you can stay there cheap, but everything else costs a FORTUNE.

I have a MUCH larger problem with Dean Spanos. Leaving San Diego is a crime against humanity.
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