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the draft is on!

Postby torontogrudlies » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:43 pm

Although it's different this year, be sure to pop in to the chat room! It's a board tradition...

the draft is on!

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Postby CodoNamus » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:50 am

CEEEDEEE TD! hearing that alot this year likely! CanT wait! HOW BOUTT THEM COWBOYS!!

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Postby NaruTheBlackSwan » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:22 am

Bro, what the removed are the Packers and Eagles doing?

Trading up for QB4 on the board when Rodgers has four years left on his contract? Could have landed a better prospect this year, the year after, or the year after that.

And the Eagles could have traded up for Lamb but instead they've got the consolation prize receiver and another guy who won't see the field and make a difference right now.

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Postby BelieverInTeal » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:47 pm

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This is how I will remember the draft. Guys on the internet, masquerading as experts, getting into stupid fights over players they've barely seen and then moving on with their lives.
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Postby ultimatum77 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:54 pm

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This is how I will remember the draft. Guys on the internet, masquerading as experts, getting into stupid fights over players they've barely seen and then moving on with their lives.


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Postby AaronS » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:06 am

I'll never understand the Kiper hate.

His Draft publication was the best there was for over 20 years. Those who bash him should be made to sit down and read one.

He was offered NFL gigs. ESPN must have been compensating him pretty well.

... Stephen A? What more can be said about him. Not his fault really. ESPNs format is 2 dudes screaming at eachother. I don't think he's a moron as much as I think ESPNs format is stupid.
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Postby AaronS » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:13 am

NaruTheBlackSwan wrote:Bro, what the removed are the Packers and Eagles doing?

Trading up for QB4 on the board when Rodgers has four years left on his contract? Could have landed a better prospect this year, the year after, or the year after that.

And the Eagles could have traded up for Lamb but instead they've got the consolation prize receiver and another guy who won't see the field and make a difference right now.


Apparently the Packers will move on from Rodgers after 2021, which is the MASSIVE cap hit on his contract.

I saw an argument for releasing him after this year, but I don't buy it. Love is RAW. I don't think 1 season is enough to get him ready. And I also think this will light Rodgers fire BIG TIME.

As for the Packers, I think this draft was about a philosophy shift. LaFluer is from the Shanahan school. He wants to ground and pound.

I also think its possible the board just didn't go their way, barely missing 2 pretty solid WRs (Mims, DuVernay).. or they just flat out blew it.

Time will tell.
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Postby IceyJFish » Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:23 pm

I like my Team's draft class this year.
If my team can mend the pass rush, we are legit NFC Championship contenders to Super Bowl Contenders :D

Tom Wassell: ''When we read draft grades from the major NFL media sites, most are critical because they’re judging based on their own philosophy for how the team should be built. Take Hayden Winks of Rotoworld, who gave an F grade for Seattle’s draft: “Seattle unsurprisingly overdrafted prospects early and focused on the run game while the rest of the league modernizes with efficient passing attacks.”

Right off the bat, Winks shows his own bias toward passing offenses (I’m not even sure if he’s referring to the Seahawks’ offense or stopping opposing offenses). Either way, Pete Carroll sees being able to run the ball and stopping the run as extremely important.

If you’re a fan that thinks, “I want the Seahawks to throw the ball all over the place and if their draft doesn’t reflect that, it’s a bad draft,” you’re gonna be disappointed. Plus, you probably hate the Seahawks’ overall approach, even if you’re afraid to admit it outright.

n any draft, Pete and John’s objective is pretty clear: Find the special players with unique skills that will fit what they’re trying to accomplish for the next several years. I believe they did that.

Keep in mind that in any team’s draft, not every player is going to end up a starter. It’s far more common that two or three won’t even make the team, much less contribute. So really what we’re looking for is two or three other players that end up being part of their nucleus for seasons to come. If Pete and John have identified those guys, I think that warrants an A- or B-level grade.

There’s these words like ‘project’ and ‘developmental’ that get thrown around quite a bit to criticize picks that won’t be stars in Week 1. Well, unless you’re picking in the top 10, every player in the draft is a developmental project in some respect. They all have to learn the game and will do so, each at their own pace. Wouldn’t you hope that first-round pick Jordyn Brooks or second-rounder Darrell Taylor blossom into better players in year 3 than in year 1 rather than the opposite scenario? Look at Bobby Wagner. He’s gotten better almost every season since entering the league. Wouldn’t you classify that as developmental?


The idea that because a player may require time to improve, that makes him a burden to the team and not worthy of a high draft pick is straight-up bunk.

So now you know my criteria and framework by which I’m judging this adventure, let’s take a look at the haul.

In a general sense, every one of these players reflects the Seahawks’ culture, and more specifically, they reflect Pete Carroll. My mentor Colin Cowherd once said of Carroll, “When Pete wakes up in the morning, he high-fives his lamp.” Based on the media appearances that most of Seattle’s draftees have done so far, I get the sense that they’re cut from that same cloth.

Combine their enthusiasm with the fact that Taylor and third-rounder Damien Lewis had seriously difficult upbringings that involved prison time for their fathers. They’ve experienced the worst kind of adversity at an early age and overcome it each in their own way. They’re more prepared as men for the real world and life in the NFL. Pete is looking for hungry players who are eager to succeed now with the potential to be the next batch of leaders in the team culture. Pete and John found the personalities that they were looking for to a T.

But attitude obviously isn’t the only thing Pete and John are looking for. They want guys who can, ya know, play.

Taylor, a defensive end from Tennessee, was drafted in the second round and the consensus that I get on him is that while he may not be as accomplished as some other pass rushers in college (largely due to injury), his skills have shown evidence of first round talent. Unless you’re a quarterback or maybe a running back, I can’t put too much stock in stats for a college player because again, should what you did or didn’t show at age 18 take away from the potential that you’re displaying at age 22? Mind you, this puts him in the “developmental” category and that means putting the responsibility of lead edge rusher on his shoulders is asking way too much in year one. He needs someone like Jadeveon Clowney or Everson Griffin alongside him while he learns the ropes.

On day 1 of the draft, I was perplexed at the pick of a linebacker (Brooks, Texas Tech) in the first round, but K.J. Wright isn’t going to be around forever, Wagner is going into year 9 and Mychal Kendricks is self-explanatory. If Brooks is the type of player that helps to bring speed worthy of Super Bowl 48 back to the Seahawks’ defense, I’m good with it. Plus, while draft analysts seemed to think Patrick Queen was the better pick, ESPN’s Brady Henderson reported that some believe that the Ravens, who took Queen with the pick after Seattle took Brooks, would have opted for Brooks if they’d had the chance. That’s two defensive-minded teams that wanted Brooks over Queen. Good.

There is an entire nest of offensive linemen on this Seattle team but some are old, some are practice squad guys and some are oft-injured. Lewis, who played for national champion LSU, should fill at least one hole. For anyone worried that the Seahawks picked a bunch of players that aren’t ready to go right now, don’t worry about this player. He’s as ready to play as anyone in the draft. No doubt the line will still have many problems to solve, but Lewis won’t be one of them.

I’m hopeful for sixth-round pick Freddie Swain to emerge on special teams as a punt returner, something they haven’t had since Tyler Lockett was weaned away from that role, focusing all of his energy on being a wide receiver. Fourth-round pick DeeJay Dallas will service a need at running back, giving Chris Carson a respite and a change of pace. This need doesn’t carry the same urgency as, say, pass rush, but given that the Seahawks have drafted RBs out of Miami two years in a row (Travis Homer was the other in 2019), they clearly see this role as important.

Is an A-minus grade too generous? Maybe a B-plus is more accurate, but remember, the 2020 draft isn’t going to solve all of the problems of the 2019 team. Just because the Seahawks have bungled the last few drafts doesn’t mean that this one has to make up for all of those mistakes. More to the point, it can’t make up for all of those mistakes. That’s what free agency is for.

If you want to criticize the Seahawks for not being aggressive enough over the winter, fair enough. But don’t blame the kids who are supposed to be heroes in 2021 or 2022 because Seattle didn’t solve all of its problems right now''.
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Re: the draft is on!

Postby NaruTheBlackSwan » Sat May 02, 2020 3:43 am

AaronS wrote:
NaruTheBlackSwan wrote:Bro, what the removed are the Packers and Eagles doing?

Trading up for QB4 on the board when Rodgers has four years left on his contract? Could have landed a better prospect this year, the year after, or the year after that.

And the Eagles could have traded up for Lamb but instead they've got the consolation prize receiver and another guy who won't see the field and make a difference right now.


Apparently the Packers will move on from Rodgers after 2021, which is the MASSIVE cap hit on his contract.

I saw an argument for releasing him after this year, but I don't buy it. Love is RAW. I don't think 1 season is enough to get him ready. And I also think this will light Rodgers fire BIG TIME.

As for the Packers, I think this draft was about a philosophy shift. LaFluer is from the Shanahan school. He wants to ground and pound.

I also think its possible the board just didn't go their way, barely missing 2 pretty solid WRs (Mims, DuVernay).. or they just flat out blew it.

Time will tell.


Love is RAW, with a capital RAW. I'm not saying he can't have a great career with the Packers, I'm just saying he doesn't help a team that should be looking to contend for another deep playoff run win now. Unless you're the Patriots, you make things happen by going all in. The Falcons, Eagles, and Rams got their appearances in the Superbowl because they recognized they had a window. Varying degrees of success, of course, but it doesn't make much sense to me to pick somebody who doesn't help you win now. At least the Eagles can slot Hurts into different packages. He can run options, maybe learn a small route tree. He's an athlete. Definitely a reach, but potentially useful. Love doesn't do anything that Rodgers can't. He's on the bench until Rodgers leaves. If you have the ammo to draft up for Love, you probably should have used that to pursue positions of need more aggressively.

Also, since Love is going to need to develop on the bench for at least a full season, why not draft someone next season? You can't successfully coddle your first-round QBs anymore. I think today's policy of sink or swim is better. Imagine if the Bears were just now seeing what they have in Trubisky instead of already moving on from him? I mean, I'd rather have Trey Lance next year than Jordan Love this year.


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