2016 Player (WR, QB, etc.) Role/Weapon and Style/Tendency Adjustments Discussion Thread

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2016 Player (WR, QB, etc.) Role/Weapon and Style/Tendency Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby moonbax » Sun Jul 24, 2016 2:41 pm

Explanation of how to adjust Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon in NZA Editor; WILL AFFECT BOTH decision-making by the AI as well as which animations the AI uses in-game:
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ultimatum77 wrote:[...] in NZA the style is how they throw it "over head, side arm, etc" [...] "player tendency -(scrambler pocket passer etc)" which affects whether they run or not. :) See attached png image.
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Examples and explanations of a few roles that may apply to any player, and their impact on player and team attributes:
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Medal: Team Captain
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This player is considered a Team Captain.

This role increases his value 1%.

This player receives AWR +1 while he has this role.

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Small Star with NFL Symbol: NFL Icon
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This player is considered a NFL Icon.

This role increases his value 10%.

While this player has this role, every starter on his side of the ball will
receive AWR +1
.

Explanation of a few more Player Roles of interest and their effect on the AI; WILL AFFECT BOTH decision-making by the AI as well as which animations the AI uses in-game:
Spoiler:
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II. Quarterbacks - QB
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Cannon or Rocket looking icon: Cannon Arm
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A player with a Cannon Arm has the arm strength to throw the ball further down
the field than the other Quarterbacks in the league. These players are capable
of stretching the defense and producing big time yardage every time they drop
back to pass.

Cannon Arm QBs are the staple of a vertical offense and are especially
effective when paired with a Deep Threat Receiver. Just the threat of the deep
pass alone will keep the defense honest and open up the running game.

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Sniper Scope: Precision Passer
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A Precision Passer has the exceptional passing accuracy and is able to squeeze
passes into the most difficult places. These Quarterbacks are known for their
ability to throw precision routes and timing passes.

These players are very effective in short range passing games that rely on
accuracy instead of vertical passes. Many NFL teams have success running a
West Coast style offense which features quick passes that rely on pinpoint
delivery. With the right gameplan, a Precision Passer can be the focal point
of a very productive offense.

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Brown Table: Game Manager
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This player is considered a Game Manager.

This player loses this role once his overall exceeds 89 or drops below 81.

This role increases his value by 4%.

This player expects to play in at least 4 games per season.

This player receives a boost of AWR +1 and THA +1 on third down passing plays.



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Scoreboard: Captain Comeback
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This player is considered Captain Comeback.

This player earns this role if he makes 10 4th quarter comebacks.

This role increases his value by 6%.

This player expects to make at least one 4th quarter comeback per season.

This player receives a boost of AWR +3 and THA +2 in the 4th quarter of game
where his team is losing.

His teammates on offense receive AWR +1.



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Star: Feature Back
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The star icon represents the best players in the NFL. These players have the
skills and attributes to fit into more than just one weapon category.

A Feature Back has speed to complement power, making him the worst nightmare of
any defensive players. The ability to elude or power through tackles and then
take the ball the distance turns every hand-off into a potential touchdown.
These running backs can be the focal point of any offense.

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Foot with Wing: Speed Back
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The speed icon indicates that this player has exceptional speed for his
position.

A Speed Back is a running back who can out run the entire defense and take it
to the house if given enough room. While this player may not be particulary
hard to bring down, sometimes it does not matter because the defense never gets
close enough to try.

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Lightning Bolt: Elusive Back
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Elusive Backs use their quickness and agility to avoid defenders and shake out
of tackles. These RBs tend to be creative and run sideline to sideline looking
for holes to open up. Defenders have a hard time wrapping these players up,
especially when they are using finesse moves to beat the defense.

An elusive back specializes in jukes, spins, and other elusive finesse moves.
These players are especially dangerous in the open field and usually require
more than one defender to bring them down. Many teams like to pair an Elusive
Back up with a Power Back to create a two prong running attack.

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Bulldozer: Power Back
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A Power Back is a RB known for powering through tackles and punishing
defenders. While these players are not known for breaking long runs, they are
very good at getting "3 yards and a cloud of dust." During the course of the
game these players not only get yards but also wear down defenses.

Typically these players run North-South and favor power moves over finesse
evasive moves, making them very effective in short yardage and goal-line
situations. Pairing a Power Back with a strong offensive line can provide a
powerful running attack.

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Hand Losing Ball: Fumble Prone
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This player earned this role because his CAR is less than 76 and he had at
least 5 fumbles this season.

Once his CAR exceeds 80 and he records 3 fumbles or less in a season, this role
will be removed.

This player's value is decreased by 10%.

While he has this role, this player's CAR will decrease by 5 on 3rd down
running plays and in the 4th quarter.

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IV. Wide Receivers/Tight Ends - WR/TE
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Star: Go To Guy
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The star icon represents the best players in the NFL. These players have the
skills and attributes to fit into more than just one weapon category.

The Go To Guy is a receiver with the hands and speed to make him a threat
running any type of route. These players are the favorite targets of their QBs
and can beat the defense in a number of different ways. It most cases it takes
more than one defender to cover a Go To Guy and this can open up the field for
the rest of the team.

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Foot with Wing: Deep Threat
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The speed icon indicates that this player has exceptional speed for his
position.

The Deep Threat is a receiver who is able to get behind the defense and get
open using his speed. These are some of the fastest players in the NFL and
defenders are forced to play off of them out of respect for their uncanny
speed.

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Hand: Possession Receiver
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Possession Receivers are known for having reliable hands and making big catches
when their team needs them. They may not be blazing fast but precise route
running and the ability to shield defenders usually make them the favorite
target of their QB.

These players are best at running routes that are designed to trick the defense
or create passing lanes. Speed routes are not as effective for these players
since they lack the ideal speed to get behind the coverage.


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Arrow with 3 X's: Return Specialist
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This player is considered a Return Specialist.

This role will be removed when the player averages 15 yards or less per kick
return or 5 yards or less per punt return for the season.

This role increases the player's value 12%.

During a return, this player will receive AWR +3, AGI +2, ACC +2, and BTK +2.

His blockers will receive RBK +2 while his opponents receive TAK -2.

[FULL LIST HERE: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14990#p41244]


Some QB Tendency suggestions by forum member Littleware:

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Littleware wrote:Scramblers vs. Balanced vs. Pocket Passers...

Load your roster file into NZA editor, change the QB's style to what suits you. In the last, roster too many QB's were listed as "Scrambler", they all ran way too much without even reading the defense before taking off. I switched them to what I felt was more appropriate to their styles. It worked!

Pocket Passers
Phillip Rivers, Sam Bradford
Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Matt Schaub
Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Chad Henne
Eli Manning, Jared Goff, Shaun Hill

Balanced QB - Reads first, but will run if lane is open or play breaks down
Derek Carr, Ben Roethlisberger, Brian Hoyer
Brock Osweiler, Andy dalton, Ryan Tannehill
Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, Jameis Winston
Blake Bortles, Blain Gabbert, Marcus Mariota
Teddy Bridgewater, Joe Flacco, EJ Manuel
Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown, Nick Foles
Mark Sanchez, Matt Cassel, Zach Mettenberger, Conner Cook
Andrew Luck, Carson Wentz, Matt Stafford

Scramblers - You already know!
Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, RG III
Alex Smith, Tyrod Taylor
Jay Cutler, Aaron Rogers
Colin Kaepernick



Some additional potential adjustment suggestions based on...

*2015 completion rates (http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats ... tics/2015/); several QBs in West Coast offenses were also given Precision Passer roles
*2015 rushing statistics (http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats ... customize/)

By me, updated 07/24:


Derek Anderson
Balanced

Blake Bortles
Scrambler
Cannon Arm

Trevone Boykin
Scrambler

Sam Bradford
Precision Passer

Tom Brady
Balanced
Precision Passer

Drew Brees
Pocket Passer
Precision Passer

Teddy Bridgewater
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Derek Carr
Balanced
Precision Passer

Matt Cassel
Balanced

Jimmy Clausen
Scrambler

Kirk Cousins
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Jay Cutler
Scrambler
Cannon Arm
Precision Passer

Andy Dalton
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Chase Daniel
Precision Passer

Austin Davis
Balanced

Ryan Fitzpatrick
Scrambler

Joe Flacco
Pocket Passer
Precision Passer
Cannon Arm

Nick Foles
Pocket Passer

Josh Freeman
Scrambler

Blaine Gabbert
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Jimmy Garoppolo
Balanced?
Precision Passer

Jared Goff

Robert Griffin III
Scrambler
Cannon Arm

Chad Henne
Cannon Arm

Shaun Hill
Pocket Passer

Brian Hoyer
Pocket Passer

Brett Hundley
Scrambler

Landry Jones
Pocket Passer

Colin Kaepernick
Scrambler
Cannon Arm

Case Keenum
Balanced

Andrew Luck
Scrambler
Precision Passer
Cannon Arm

Paxton Lynch

Ryan Mallett
Pocket Passer
Cannon Arm

Eli Manning
Pocket Passer
Precision Passer

EJ Manuel
Scrambler

Marcus Mariota
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Josh McCown
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Luke McCown
Precision Passer

Colt McCoy
Balanced

Kellen Moore

Matt Moore

Cam Newton
Sidearm
Scrambler
Cannon Arm

Brock Osweiler
Scrambler

Carson Palmer
Pocket Passer
Precision Passer

Sean Renfree
Pocket Passer

Philip Rivers
Sidearm
Pocket Passer
Precision Passer

Aaron Rodgers
Scrambler
Precision Passer
Cannon Arm

Ben Roethlisberger
Pocket Passer
Cannon Arm
Precision Passer

Tony Romo
Pocket Passer
Precision Passer

Matt Ryan
Pocket Passer
Cannon Arm
Precision Passer

Mark Sanchez

Matt Schaub

Trevor Siemian

Alex Smith
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Geno Smith
Balanced

Matthew Stafford
Sidearm
Scrambler
Cannon Arm
Precision Passer

Ryan Tannehill
Balanced
Precision Passer

Tyrod Taylor
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Scott Tolzien

Mike Vick
Sidearm
Scrambler
Cannon Arm

Brandon Weeden

Carson Wentz

Russell Wilson
Scrambler
Precision Passer

Jameis Winston
Scrambler


This list is a VERY rough draft as of right now to provide some basic organization to start with, corrections will be made and the list will be improved with continued editing.



Discuss your QB adjustments and offer corrections for everyone to see.

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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby ycleped » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:44 pm

Bradford had one of the most accurate deep balls in the league last season, he should have Cannon Arm in my opinion.

Tom Brady had less rushing yards than Eli Manning last season so if Manning is Pocket Passer, Brady DEFINITELY should be.

And if both of them are Pocket Passer, Kirk Cousins definitely is NOT scrambler... He had less rushing yards than both: only 48 on 26 carries for a 1.8 average.

Jay Cutler had a higher average per rush (5.3) than both Winston (3.9) and Bridgewater (4.4). In addition, he had more rushing yards than Bridgewater and almost as much as Winston. If both of them are scramblers, he should be a scrambler too.

In fact, I'd make the argument that NONE of those guys should be scramblers because it will screw with sim stats too much.

In my opinion, the players worthy of that title are:

Cam Newton
Tyrod Taylor
Russell Wilson
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Blake Bortles
Andrew Luck (only started 7 games but had 196 yards on 33 carries, projecting to a lot more if he wasn't injured; 5.9 yards per carry as well)
Colin Kaepernick
Marcus Mariota
Johnny Manziel
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Blaine Gabbert (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6bImklsThY) - nuff said
EJ Manuel (40 time of 4.65 and ran a lot when he started)

The majority of the QBs should be balanced. Only a certain group should be pocket passers:

Drew Brees
Nick Foles
Joe Flacco
Carson Palmer
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Brian Hoyer
Tom Brady
Ryan Mallett

These are all guys that clearly don't look to run unless it's an emergency. Ben used to be a scrambler or even balanced, but as of late hasn't run much at all.
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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby moonbax » Tue Jul 26, 2016 2:07 pm

The problem with basing that title on the rushing yards is that not every QB started the same number of games or had the same number of rushing attempts. Total yards rushing in 2015 is not necessarily going to correlate directly to how much of a threat the QB poses.

I was going by rushing attempts per game (table below), or by simply watching film and observing the QB's scrambling tendencies; based on that I would definitely call Kirk Cousins a Scrambler despite not having a huge rushing amount, it was more about the effectiveness of the QB's scrambling and what defenses need to be prepared for (see Rushing TDs table below).

In Madden 08 some "Balanced" QB do not rush, ever. I felt that if the QB was a threat to run PERIOD that the Madden AI should give consideration to these QBs as being potential scrambling threats.

This is great discussion though, thanks. I do agree with Cutler and possibly Manuel as Scramblers after looking at how effective they can be (see First Down % table). Hope more people chime in about this as well as all the other options so we get a variety of perspectives.

QB Rushing Atts. Per game:

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TOTAL RANK   PLYR   POS   TM    GMS   ATTS   ATTS PER GAME
38   Cam Newton      QB   CAR   16   132   8.25
175   Josh Freeman      QB   IND   1   8   8.00
45   Tyrod Taylor      QB   BUF   14   104   7.43
47   Russell Wilson      QB   SEA   16   103   6.44
55   Alex Smith         QB   KC   16   84   5.25
88   Colin Kaepernick   QB   SF   9   45   5.00
108   Andrew Luck      QB   IND   7   33   4.71
72   Andy Dalton      QB   CIN   13   57   4.38
97   Johnny Manziel      QB   CLE   9   37   4.11
110   Blaine Gabbert      QB   SF   8   32   4.00
132   Mike Vick         QB   PIT   5   20   4.00
69   Ryan Fitzpatrick      QB   NYJ   16   60   3.75
71   Aaron Rodgers      QB   GB   16   58   3.63
77   Jameis Winston      QB   TB   16   54   3.38
81   Blake Bortles      QB   JAX   16   52   3.25
229   Matt Moore      QB   MIA   1   3   3.00
106   Marcus Mariota      QB   TEN   12   34   2.83
92   Teddy Bridgewater   QB   MIN   16   44   2.75
93   Matthew Stafford   QB   DET   16   44   2.75
166   Jimmy Clausen      QB   CHI   4   11   2.75
151   Brandon Weeden   QB   HOU   6   16   2.67
129   Brock Osweiler      QB   DEN   8   21   2.63
96   Jay Cutler         QB   CHI   15   38   2.53
134   Josh McCown      QB   CLE   8   20   2.50
145   EJ Manuel         QB   BUF   7   17   2.43
181   Derek Anderson      QB   CAR   3   7   2.33
182   Austin Davis      QB   CLE   3   7   2.33
101   Matt Ryan         QB   ATL   16   36   2.25
105   Tom Brady         QB   NE   16   34   2.13
107   Derek Carr         QB   OAK   16   33   2.06
109   Ryan Tannehill      QB   MIA   16   32   2.00
152   Matt Hasselbeck   QB   IND   8   16   2.00
159   AJ McCarron      QB   CIN   7   14   2.00
164   Case Keenum      QB   STL   6   12   2.00
179   Tarvaris Jackson   QB   SEA   4   8   2.00
219   Matt Schaub      QB   BAL   2   4   2.00
246   Geno Smith      QB   NYJ   1   2   2.00
119   Sam Bradford      QB   PHI   14   26   1.86
163   Drew Stanton      QB   ARI   7   13   1.86
157   Matt Cassel      QB   BUF   9   15   1.67
121   Kirk Cousins      QB   WAS   16   26   1.63
127   Drew Brees      QB   NO   15   24   1.60
123   Carson Palmer      QB   ARI   16   25   1.56
147   Nick Foles         QB   STL   11   17   1.55
188   T.J. Yates         QB   HOU   4   6   1.50
192   Mark Sanchez      QB   PHI   4   6   1.50
232   Colt McCoy      QB   WAS   2   3   1.50
154   Brian Hoyer      QB   HOU   11   15   1.36
217   Shaun Hill         QB   MIN   3   4   1.33
161   Joe Flacco         QB   BAL   10   13   1.30
173   Zach Mettenberger   QB   TEN   7   9   1.29
135   Eli Manning      QB   NYG   16   20   1.25
155   Ben Roethlisberger   QB   PIT   12   15   1.25
140   Philip Rivers      QB   SD   16   17   1.06
198   Jimmy Garoppolo   QB   NE   5   5   1.00
212   Tony Romo      QB   DAL   4   4   1.00
231   Scott Tolzien      QB   GB   3   3   1.00
252   Chase Daniel      QB   KC   2   2   1.00
291   Trevor Siemian      QB   DEN   1   1   1.00
193   B.J. Daniels      QB   HOU   8   6   0.75
202   Landry Jones      QB   PIT   7   5   0.71
243   Kellen Moore      QB   DAL   3   2   0.67
197   Ryan Mallett      QB   HOU   8   5   0.63
183   Peyton Manning      QB   DEN   10   6   0.60
245   Charlie Whitehurst   QB   IND   4   2   0.50
271   Kellen Clemens      QB   SD   2   1   0.50
274   Sean Renfree      QB   ATL   2   1   0.50
263   Joe Webb         QB   CAR   16   1   0.06


Another potential measure of QB rushing effectiveness, QB Rushing TDs in 2015:

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Player                    Team   TD
 1. Cam Newton              CAR        10
 2. Jameis Winston          TB        6    
 3. Kirk Cousins              WAS     5    
 4. Tyrod Taylor           BUF        4    
 5. Tom Brady                NE        3    
 6. Teddy Bridgewater     MIN        3    
 7. Andy Dalton             CIN        3    
 8. Joe Flacco             BAL        3    
 9. Blake Bortles           JAC        2    
 10. Ryan Fitzpatrick      NYJ        2    
 11. Marcus Mariota       TEN        2    
 12. Alex Smith           KC        2


Cousins needs to get some rushing TDs, in my opinion. He blew away every other QB in terms of number of rushing TDs per attempt (1 TD for every 5.2 attempts!); I don't know about anyone else, but if Kirk was knocking on the door of my endzone I'd have no choice but to give gravely serious consideration to the threat of him taking off. This is how I think a defense should respond to Kirk in M08.


Another thing to look at just to add to the discussion, what percentage of that QBs rushing attempts (with a minimum of 17 attempts) resulted in a First Down:

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Rank   Player   Team   Rushing Attempts   Rushing First Downs   Rushing First Downs %
17   EJ Manuel   BUF   17   10   58.8
5   Blake Bortles   JAX   52   24   46.2
1   Cam Newton   CAR   132   56   42.4
10   Jay Cutler   CHI   38   16   42.1
11   Tom Brady   NE   34   14   41.2
20   Josh McCown   CLE   20   8   40.0
15   Andrew Luck   IND   33   13   39.4
9   Teddy Bridgewater   MIN   44   17   38.6
3   Alex Smith   KC   84   30   35.7
6   Ryan Fitzpatrick   NYJ   60   21   35.0
7   Aaron Rodgers   GB   58   20   34.5
8   Jameis Winston   TB   54   18   33.3
23   Kirk Cousins   WAS   26   8   30.8
2   Russell Wilson   SEA   103   31   30.1
16   Johnny Manziel   CLE   37   11   29.7
12   Matthew Stafford   DET   44   13   29.5
18   Marcus Mariota   TEN   34   10   29.4
13   Colin Kaepernick   SF   45   13   28.9
4   Tyrod Taylor   BUF   104   28   26.9
21   Ryan Tannehill   MIA   32   8   25.0
22   Blaine Gabbert   SF   32   8   25.0


Based on the combined effect of all of these stats I'd also definitely call Brady more Balanced now.












EDIT




I would like to generate more discussion on the other options for Throw Style and Role/Weapon in particular.

I was thinking, given that the Game Manager and Captain Comeback QB roles affect the maximum potential of the QBs and indeed entire teams involved, I think it seems unfair for some QBs to use these while others do not.


This player is considered Captain Comeback.

[...]

His teammates on offense receive AWR +1.


I'm thinking these are way too subjective to be useful; how does one go about assigning which QBs or entire teams should have "greater potential" on 3rd Downs or in the 4th Quarter? That seems a bit silly. Seems like if anything everyone should be programmed to behave that way. But there are only two Role/Weapon slots and there are going to be plenty of Cannon Arms and Precision Passers.

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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby Littleware » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:54 pm

I'd love to chime in, but for the last two seasons using Jinx rosters, I assigned roles to all players, the franchise crashed during the off-season when it was trying to re-assign new roles! So I don't assign the roles!

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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby moonbax » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:07 pm

Littleware wrote:I'd love to chime in, but for the last two seasons using Jinx rosters, I assigned roles to all players, the franchise crashed during the off-season when it was trying to re-assign new roles! So I don't assign the roles!


That is chiming in, and with very good information! I don't think it would try to re-assign the Cannon Arm or Precision Passer though right? It seems like those would be safe and quite useful to edit.

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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby Littleware » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:36 pm

moonbax wrote:
Littleware wrote:I'd love to chime in, but for the last two seasons using Jinx rosters, I assigned roles to all players, the franchise crashed during the off-season when it was trying to re-assign new roles! So I don't assign the roles!


That is chiming in, and with very good information! I don't think it would try to re-assign the Cannon Arm or Precision Passer though right? It seems like those would be safe and quite useful to edit.


Naaa, this is chiming in...

I can honestly say, that stuff changes with the yearly stats. How can you be labeled a "precision passer" if your completion rate is not above 65%?

Ex. Ben Roth, was labeled a scrambler & cannon arm, but had very few rushes (designed runs or not) and threw a ton of INT's last season! He's not a scrambler any more...
Ex. Mike Wallace was labeled a "Deep Threat" but he can't get off the LOS if DB's play tight man. Nor can he run by them if they play a "loose" coverage!

If the game didn't crash, I'd use them. I'm sure they do have a part to play, but to what degree is the effect?

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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby moonbax » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:44 pm

Littleware wrote:Naaa, this is chiming in...

I can honestly say, that stuff changes with the yearly stats. How can you be labeled a "precision passer" if your completion rate is not above 65%?

Ex. Ben Roth, was labeled a scrambler & cannon arm, but had very few rushes (designed runs or not) and threw a ton of INT's last season! He's not a scrambler any more...
Ex. Mike Wallace was labeled a "Deep Threat" but he can't get off the LOS if DB's play tight man. Nor can he run by them if they play a "loose" coverage!

If the game didn't crash, I'd use them. I'm sure they do have a part to play, but to what degree is the effect?


I'm confused, who or what is it that labeled Big Ben as a Scrambler/Cannon Arm or Wallace a Deep Threat and how was it based on yearly stats? And why 65%?

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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby BUS36 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:54 pm

Originally Big Ben was labeled a scrambler in Madden04-08, but now he is a pocket passer first ...most of the QBs should be running a 63-67% completion percentage. Wallace was a deep threat with Pittsburgh..he basically ran only Post , Streak and Fade routes. He came out of the draft running a 4.24. I you play with Pittsburgh ..moving Ben in and out of the pocket looking to throw he is pretty accurate.
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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby moonbax » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:18 pm

BUS36 wrote:Originally Big Ben was labeled a scrambler in Madden04-08, but now he is a pocket passer first ...most of the QBs should be running a 63-67% completion percentage. Wallace was a deep threat with Pittsburgh..he basically ran only Post , Streak and Fade routes. He came out of the draft running a 4.24. I you play with Pittsburgh ..moving Ben in and out of the pocket looking to throw he is pretty accurate.


Ah makes sense, but obviously if that is the case there would be a lot of guys whose tendencies are in need of updating, including Ben.

Also, I have a thread here that might be interesting if you want to know more about the WR/TE roles, including Deep Threat and Go To Guy; I'm not sure those are much use either: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=18543



Regarding completion rates (one of my most-obsessed-over stats), it is something that I feel needs to be improved in this game across the board for every QB but especially starters, and especially starters in West Coast offenses (more on that in a sec). If you consider that average completion rate statistics include everyone, backup QBs and starters who were suffering from injuries last year but started anyway, the average for healthy starters in the NFL would generally be over 65%, possibly 66-69%. (And in individual games you get as high as 70-80%+ for West Coast QBs often)

However, the Precision Passer role also has a lot to do with the offensive system in place as well. I want QBs in West Coast offenses to make decisions like a West Coast offense QB in this game, and West Coast offenses generally require the kind of decision-making that leads to higher completion rates in the first place in order to function at all.

This is also why you can't just look at the previous year's stats for, say, Andrew Luck, and determine that he isn't a Precision Passer. That offensive system dictates his role as a Precision Passer, and clearly with the injury situation he was not able to fulfill the timing/precision/decision-making aspect of that specific role last year; consequently, the entire system fell apart.

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Re: 2016 QB Throw Style, Tendency, and Role/Weapon Adjustments Discussion Thread

Postby BUS36 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:32 am

To tell ya something... most teams run a varied version of the West Coast. Look at Pittsburgh ..Todd Haley OC- was at KC and ran a conservative West Coast. When Arians was with Pittsburgh is was a deep threat west coast offense. Haley tried to change it but Big Ben would change the play in year one to the Arians play. Now the run a balanced mix of West Coast ( quick WR screens, TE screens, Shotgun Spread runs) and Power Running Vertical passing.
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