As you might know, there is a new .dat decompression utility found here. One of the very first things I decided to do with it was decompressing the playbooks and editing them with the objective of learning how they work and adding some formations I liked to them. So far I've done 2 playbooks. The one linked here is the (2011 Gamedata.dat, the one in the FF/FI mod) New England playbook, which is the one that mostly resembles the Steelers, and edit it to add some new formations (Like the Shotgun-Trips Bunch and the Shotgun-3WR 2RB, and a custom made Pistol formation) as well as some new plays (all of the Pistol plays, as well as a Goalline fade, a Four Verticals and a Quick Punt play) and edited names for the formations that resemble those from Madden NFL 17 (Shotgun renamed to Gun, Strong TE Flip renamed to Y Trips Wk. Empty Tray Stack to Empty Steeler (Which features a HB on the slot by default) and more) and working sub packages for the Pistol formations.
After reading a lot of posts in the "Plays and Playbooks" and "Sliders and Adjustments" forums, specially moonbax's works on the different Offensive and Defensive philosophies, as well as the capability to add Custom Playbooks in the Gamedata.dat file, I wonder if it would be possible to remake every possible playbook in the Gamedata.dat to resemble more the team they come from. Right now in the FF/FI mod, most coaches don't have the playbook their team should have. What I mean is, the "PIT - M. Tomlin" isn't really representative of the Steelers offense or defense in 2017. The "ARI - B. Arians" isn't representative of the Cardinals offense or defense in 2017, and so on and so forth with MOST coaches. So the idea would be that the playbooks would be edited, then imported back, allowing every coach to use their proper offensive and defensive scheme while having assigned the playbook that has their name.
I wonder if this is a project that is worth the time, with the objective being the most realistic representation of the playbooks that we could possibly achieve.
Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
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Looking forward to this and hopefully I can integrate it in our upcoming roster.
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Re: Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
rogerjinx wrote:Looking forward to this and hopefully I can integrate it in our upcoming roster.
Hopefully that is possible.
The first thing, I need someone that knows about the schemes that most NFL teams ran this season (and possibly the aproximated schemes for the next year) as well as which playbook in the Gamedata.dat file RIGHT NOW represents them the most, as well as which changes could possibly be made to said playbook. For example, a certain playbook would be very fitting for a certain team, but it lacks certain formations. Said team maybe runs some Pistol formations, some Trips/Bunch, and the playbook doesn't have it. I could promptly either create a formation that resembles what they run (in the case of the Pistol) or export the formation that missing formation from another playbook (in the case of the Trips/Bunch, 5WR sets and so on).
Then the next step would be to alter the formation names to actually fit the team. Because a call played "Patriots Screen" certainly doesn't fit the Steelers. Finally, an optional step would be renaming the formations to how Madden NFL 17/18 names them. 4WR would become Spread, 5WR would become Empty. Big 3TE would become Jumbo. Normal I formations would become "Pro". Twin WR I Formations would become "Pro Twins" and so on.
The final step would be the final touches to the playbook, which include the capability to show the Audibles Menu, something that custom playbooks don't allow.
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Re: Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
I just tried the Steelers Offensive Playbook you made ...very good...I like some of the formations and plays. I can recommend this for the Offense for the Steelers in the next FF/FI Mod.
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Re: Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
Good idea! I tweaked the wr placement in the new shotgun formations on the Packer's update we did (they were way to close to each other; those tiny pictures .... my fault!) and added the pbai definitions to it so it won't crash anymore. I will send that off to you in a pm. If I can assist you in your endeavor I would be happy to help where possible!
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Re: Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
First thing I'll try to do is making a list right here with the playbooks from the Gamedata.dat file as well as which formations and types of plays it includes. Then on the next post I'll start a list where we can put which playbook would be the most appropiate for each team. I'll upload a compressed file here with each defensive playbook modified to be openable in PacFan's editors.
The objective is to use them as a base, then add different formations/plays from other playbooks that fit the team's style. That and changing the formations to fit what a team runs. For example, if a team mostly runs a Dime 2-3-6, but the only way to use it right now is using a Dime Normal (4-1-6) and using the "LB Pass Rush" Sub Package, then the playbook will be edited so that both defensive ends are swapped by the outside linebackers (additionally, maybe 1 DT is replaced by a DE), and then change the "LB Pass Rush" sub package to "DE Pass Rush" sub package, so that there is still the option of using the 4-1-6, even when by default there is only the 2-3-6. This is important, because the AI is completely uncapable of using Sub Packages.
I will be post the list here and will be updating it as I keep decompressing playbooks. On this post we have defensive playbooks.
All playbooks have the Goal Line (5-3-3) and Special Teams formations by default. Additionally, every Quarter set has 3 safeties, making them "Big Quarter" sets ... I think ... I'm not the best at football formation naming conventions. The difference is if the Free Safety #2 is at corner depth (Normal Quarter) or at safety depth (3 Deep). Finally, every Dime 3-2-6 set can be considered a "Big Dime" set, as CB#4 (Dimeback) is replaced by FS#2.
Team Specific Playbooks:
Bears:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
46: Bear.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7)
Bengals:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
46: Bear, Normal
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Adam Gase (Dolphins), Pete Carroll (Seahawks).
Bills:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Broncos:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Vance Joseph (Broncos)
Browns:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep (AKA Big Quarter 3-1-7 with 2 Free Safeties and 1 Strong Safety deep)
Buccaneers:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7)
Cardinals: This is a pretty interesting playbook, because ...
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
4-3: Under. (I though you only ran one of them, not both. I know there is an post about this somewhere by moonbax).
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Chargers:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: 2-4-5, 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Andy Reid (Chiefs), Chuck Pagano (Colts).
Chiefs:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7).
Colts:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7).
Coaches that use this: Jason Garrett (Cowboys), Sean Payton (Saints).
Cowboys:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Dolphins:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Eagles:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Falcons:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Dirk Koetter (Buccaneers),
49ers:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Giants:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Ben McAdoo (Giants),
Jaguars:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Jets:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5, 1-5-5 (Safety at corner depth), 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Hue Jackson (Browns), Todd Bowles (Jets), Bill Belichick (Patriots).
Lions:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Doug Marrone (Jaguars)
Packers:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Panthers:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Sean McDermott (Bills),
Patriots:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: 2-4-5, 1-5-5 (Safety at corner depth), 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Mike McCarthy (Packers), Jon Harbaugh (Ravens), Jay Gruden (Redskins), Mike Mularkey (Titans).
Raiders:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Anthony Lynn (Chargers),
Rams:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Ravens: This is another very weird and interesting playbook:
3-4: Normal, Over, Solid.
4-3: Under.
46: Bear, Normal. (Again, both 3-4 and 4-3, but they also use the 46)
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5, 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up)
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Dan Quinn (Falcons), Jack Del Rio (Raiders)
Redskins:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Sean McVay (Rams)
Saints:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Seahawks:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Steelers:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: 2-4-5, 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: John Fox (Bears), Bill O'Brien (Texans).
Texans:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
46: Bear.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Titans:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Doug Pederson (Eagles), Jim Caldwell (Lions)
Vikings:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Marvin Lewis (Bengals), Ron Rivera (Panthers), Mike Zimmer (Vikings).
Generic Playbooks
4-3:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
3-4:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: 2-4-5, 3-3-5, 1-5-5 (Safety at corner depth), 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Bruce Arians (Cardinals), Kyle Shanahan (49ers), Mike Tomlin (Steelers)
46:
46: Bear, Normal
4-3: Normal
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7).
Cover 2: Weird playbook here
4-3: Normal, Under
3-4: Normal, Over
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5, 2-4-5, 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up)
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7).
Balanced Defense: This is the Playbook with the most formations and plays.
4-3: Normal, Under
3-4: Normal, Over, Solid.
46: Bear, Normal.
Nickel: Normal, 3-3-5, 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up)
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
QB Contain:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
3-4: Normal, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5 , Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 2-4-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep
Playbooks that aren't used by any team: Bears, Bills, Browns, Buccaneers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Dolphins, Eagles, 49ers, Jaguars, Packers, Rams, Saints, Seahawks, Texans.
Generic playbooks that are used by any team: 3-4.
Here I uploaded the playbooks. Now I'll need the help from people that actually knows what the twisted minds from the NFL run, because for the most part, I don't. I'd like to know which base playbook would be best for which team, which changes or additionas could be made and what kind of substitutions to the players on the field could be done to achieve realism. For example, a certain team could use Generic 3-4 as a base playbook, but instead of using the 2-4-5, they use the 4-2-5. That is a change that could be done. They also like to use Dime 2-3-6, that's a change it could be done. This is an example of what could be possibly done.
The objective is to use them as a base, then add different formations/plays from other playbooks that fit the team's style. That and changing the formations to fit what a team runs. For example, if a team mostly runs a Dime 2-3-6, but the only way to use it right now is using a Dime Normal (4-1-6) and using the "LB Pass Rush" Sub Package, then the playbook will be edited so that both defensive ends are swapped by the outside linebackers (additionally, maybe 1 DT is replaced by a DE), and then change the "LB Pass Rush" sub package to "DE Pass Rush" sub package, so that there is still the option of using the 4-1-6, even when by default there is only the 2-3-6. This is important, because the AI is completely uncapable of using Sub Packages.
I will be post the list here and will be updating it as I keep decompressing playbooks. On this post we have defensive playbooks.
All playbooks have the Goal Line (5-3-3) and Special Teams formations by default. Additionally, every Quarter set has 3 safeties, making them "Big Quarter" sets ... I think ... I'm not the best at football formation naming conventions. The difference is if the Free Safety #2 is at corner depth (Normal Quarter) or at safety depth (3 Deep). Finally, every Dime 3-2-6 set can be considered a "Big Dime" set, as CB#4 (Dimeback) is replaced by FS#2.
Team Specific Playbooks:
Bears:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
46: Bear.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7)
Bengals:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
46: Bear, Normal
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Adam Gase (Dolphins), Pete Carroll (Seahawks).
Bills:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Broncos:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Vance Joseph (Broncos)
Browns:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep (AKA Big Quarter 3-1-7 with 2 Free Safeties and 1 Strong Safety deep)
Buccaneers:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7)
Cardinals: This is a pretty interesting playbook, because ...
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
4-3: Under. (I though you only ran one of them, not both. I know there is an post about this somewhere by moonbax).
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Chargers:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: 2-4-5, 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Andy Reid (Chiefs), Chuck Pagano (Colts).
Chiefs:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7).
Colts:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7).
Coaches that use this: Jason Garrett (Cowboys), Sean Payton (Saints).
Cowboys:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Dolphins:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Eagles:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Falcons:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Dirk Koetter (Buccaneers),
49ers:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Giants:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Ben McAdoo (Giants),
Jaguars:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Jets:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5, 1-5-5 (Safety at corner depth), 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Hue Jackson (Browns), Todd Bowles (Jets), Bill Belichick (Patriots).
Lions:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Doug Marrone (Jaguars)
Packers:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Panthers:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Sean McDermott (Bills),
Patriots:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: 2-4-5, 1-5-5 (Safety at corner depth), 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Mike McCarthy (Packers), Jon Harbaugh (Ravens), Jay Gruden (Redskins), Mike Mularkey (Titans).
Raiders:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Anthony Lynn (Chargers),
Rams:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Ravens: This is another very weird and interesting playbook:
3-4: Normal, Over, Solid.
4-3: Under.
46: Bear, Normal. (Again, both 3-4 and 4-3, but they also use the 46)
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5, 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up)
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Dan Quinn (Falcons), Jack Del Rio (Raiders)
Redskins:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Sean McVay (Rams)
Saints:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Seahawks:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Steelers:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: 2-4-5, 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: John Fox (Bears), Bill O'Brien (Texans).
Texans:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
46: Bear.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Titans:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Doug Pederson (Eagles), Jim Caldwell (Lions)
Vikings:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Marvin Lewis (Bengals), Ron Rivera (Panthers), Mike Zimmer (Vikings).
Generic Playbooks
4-3:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
3-4:
3-4: Normal, Over, Under, Solid.
Nickel: 2-4-5, 3-3-5, 1-5-5 (Safety at corner depth), 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up).
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
Coaches that use this: Bruce Arians (Cardinals), Kyle Shanahan (49ers), Mike Tomlin (Steelers)
46:
46: Bear, Normal
4-3: Normal
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 3-3-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7).
Cover 2: Weird playbook here
4-3: Normal, Under
3-4: Normal, Over
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5, 2-4-5, 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up)
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line).
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7).
Balanced Defense: This is the Playbook with the most formations and plays.
4-3: Normal, Under
3-4: Normal, Over, Solid.
46: Bear, Normal.
Nickel: Normal, 3-3-5, 1-5-5 Prowl (Everyone is standing up)
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep.
QB Contain:
4-3: Normal, Over, Under.
3-4: Normal, Under.
Nickel: Normal (4-2-5), 3-3-5 , Strong (4-2-5, Nickelback close to the line, FS closer to the line), 2-4-5.
Dime: Normal (4-1-6), Flat (Safeties closer to the line, Slot Corners closer to the line, Wide Corners off the line), 3-2-6.
Quarter: Normal (3-1-7), 3 Deep
Playbooks that aren't used by any team: Bears, Bills, Browns, Buccaneers, Chiefs, Cowboys, Dolphins, Eagles, 49ers, Jaguars, Packers, Rams, Saints, Seahawks, Texans.
Generic playbooks that are used by any team: 3-4.
Here I uploaded the playbooks. Now I'll need the help from people that actually knows what the twisted minds from the NFL run, because for the most part, I don't. I'd like to know which base playbook would be best for which team, which changes or additionas could be made and what kind of substitutions to the players on the field could be done to achieve realism. For example, a certain team could use Generic 3-4 as a base playbook, but instead of using the 2-4-5, they use the 4-2-5. That is a change that could be done. They also like to use Dime 2-3-6, that's a change it could be done. This is an example of what could be possibly done.
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Re: Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
Next up comes the Offensive playbooks, and for these ones I'll request the same kind of help, which playbook would serve as a base, the kind of personnel each team uses as well as which formations each team uses and doesn't use. This time, I'm only posting the books that the FF/FI mod coaches use, as well as playbooks from Moonbax's research (That while it might not be accurate for 2017 ... or in general, are still good).
For this ones, I'll list the formations and their variations (in spoilers), as well as any notable trick play it has. What trick plays mean to me are:
WR Reverses
WR End Arounds
Jet Sweeps
PA Jet Sweeps
Flea Flickers
QB Designed Runs, the GoalLine QB Sneak doesn't count.
HB Passes
WR Passes
The entirety of the Wildcat formation.
The used playbooks (AKA the ones I'll post here) are: Broncos, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Colts, Eagles, 49ers, Giants, Jaguars, Packers, Patriots, Raiders. Redskins, Saints, Texans, Titans, Generic Pass Balanced.
The only playbooks I couldn't decompress is the Texans playbook, used by Kyle Shanahan (49ers), and the Redskins playbook, used bu Sean McVay (LA Rams). Any suggestion for another similar playbook?
In the next post, I will compare the decompressed Playbooks to Madden NFL 18 formations available per team and will note any difference.
Notes: Every playbook has the GoalLine (I Formation, 3TE Jumbo Package) set, as well as the special teams formations.
The AI doesn't run most Trick Plays, including Flea Flickers, Reverses or HB/WR Pass plays. This could be changed if necesary.
Team Specific Playbooks:
Broncos:Can be defined as a playbook with multiple Empty Sets and QB Rolls. The Rolls can act as a Read Option-like play. The QB can keep it and run, or stay put and pass the ball..
Buccaneers: Some Empty Singleback sets, Trips/Bunch sets, some QB Rolls, some Slant-n-Go plays.Note: This playbook needed some slight editing when it comes to the "Formation Audibles" (Audible Menu then Right Analog Stick Up (Quick Pass), Left (PA Pass), Down (Run or Screen for Empty Sets), Right (Deep Pass)). When I upload the playbooks, I'd like someone to use this playbook as a Player, Coach and on CPU vs. CPU.
Cardinals Has no Empty sets, 1 Jumbo 3TE set, some Twin sets.
Colts: This playbook has no Empty set, counts with a 4WR Stack formation that I'll like to implement in some other teams, has a Trips Bunch set and a Jumbo formation and the very rare HB Direct Snap.
Eagles: Has Empty sets, Trips/Bunch and multiple QB Rollouts, as if Donovan McNabb was the QB. Also. a fair amount of trick plays involving reverses.
49ers: Has a fair amount of Go routes, combined with others. Like Hitch-n-Go, In-n-Go.
Giants: Has the Full House set, a fair amount of Wing sets, a fair amount of End Arounds and fake End Arounds. And a TE Screen.
Jaguars: Multiple Wing and 3TE sets. Only one Empty set.
Packers: Some Big and Jumbo sets, some Empty sets and Trips/Bunch sets. Also has the very rare Shotgun Short Snap, which is actually a Pistol Split Formations. Note: The Packers playbook was already created thanks to Col. Tratuman. It just needs minimal tweaks in the play art menu images to be correct (Which I can fix), as well as the removal of the Split/Pro formation, which will be replaced by the Gun - Ace Offset formation (Which I also can fix).
Patriots: Multiple Empty sets, multiple Twin TE sets and 2 Jumbo formations.
Raiders: Looks like a Run based playbook, spcially with the variety in the I formations and the lack of variety in the Gun formations, and that one is the Run capable 2RB version.
Saints: Some Empty sets, a Full House Wide set and Twin TE sets.
Titans: Multiple 2TE sets, just 1 Empty set, a Trips/Bunch.
Generic Playbooks
Pass Balanced Some Empty sets, a Trips/Bunch, multiple 4WR sets and a few Twin TE sets
For this ones, I'll list the formations and their variations (in spoilers), as well as any notable trick play it has. What trick plays mean to me are:
WR Reverses
WR End Arounds
Jet Sweeps
PA Jet Sweeps
Flea Flickers
QB Designed Runs, the GoalLine QB Sneak doesn't count.
HB Passes
WR Passes
The entirety of the Wildcat formation.
The used playbooks (AKA the ones I'll post here) are: Broncos, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Colts, Eagles, 49ers, Giants, Jaguars, Packers, Patriots, Raiders. Redskins, Saints, Texans, Titans, Generic Pass Balanced.
The only playbooks I couldn't decompress is the Texans playbook, used by Kyle Shanahan (49ers), and the Redskins playbook, used bu Sean McVay (LA Rams). Any suggestion for another similar playbook?
In the next post, I will compare the decompressed Playbooks to Madden NFL 18 formations available per team and will note any difference.
Notes: Every playbook has the GoalLine (I Formation, 3TE Jumbo Package) set, as well as the special teams formations.
The AI doesn't run most Trick Plays, including Flea Flickers, Reverses or HB/WR Pass plays. This could be changed if necesary.
Team Specific Playbooks:
Broncos:Can be defined as a playbook with multiple Empty Sets and QB Rolls. The Rolls can act as a Read Option-like play. The QB can keep it and run, or stay put and pass the ball..
Spoiler:
Buccaneers: Some Empty Singleback sets, Trips/Bunch sets, some QB Rolls, some Slant-n-Go plays.Note: This playbook needed some slight editing when it comes to the "Formation Audibles" (Audible Menu then Right Analog Stick Up (Quick Pass), Left (PA Pass), Down (Run or Screen for Empty Sets), Right (Deep Pass)). When I upload the playbooks, I'd like someone to use this playbook as a Player, Coach and on CPU vs. CPU.
Spoiler:
Cardinals Has no Empty sets, 1 Jumbo 3TE set, some Twin sets.
Spoiler:
Colts: This playbook has no Empty set, counts with a 4WR Stack formation that I'll like to implement in some other teams, has a Trips Bunch set and a Jumbo formation and the very rare HB Direct Snap.
Spoiler:
Eagles: Has Empty sets, Trips/Bunch and multiple QB Rollouts, as if Donovan McNabb was the QB. Also. a fair amount of trick plays involving reverses.
Spoiler:
49ers: Has a fair amount of Go routes, combined with others. Like Hitch-n-Go, In-n-Go.
Spoiler:
Giants: Has the Full House set, a fair amount of Wing sets, a fair amount of End Arounds and fake End Arounds. And a TE Screen.
Spoiler:
Jaguars: Multiple Wing and 3TE sets. Only one Empty set.
Spoiler:
Packers: Some Big and Jumbo sets, some Empty sets and Trips/Bunch sets. Also has the very rare Shotgun Short Snap, which is actually a Pistol Split Formations. Note: The Packers playbook was already created thanks to Col. Tratuman. It just needs minimal tweaks in the play art menu images to be correct (Which I can fix), as well as the removal of the Split/Pro formation, which will be replaced by the Gun - Ace Offset formation (Which I also can fix).
Spoiler:
Patriots: Multiple Empty sets, multiple Twin TE sets and 2 Jumbo formations.
Spoiler:
Raiders: Looks like a Run based playbook, spcially with the variety in the I formations and the lack of variety in the Gun formations, and that one is the Run capable 2RB version.
Spoiler:
Saints: Some Empty sets, a Full House Wide set and Twin TE sets.
Spoiler:
Titans: Multiple 2TE sets, just 1 Empty set, a Trips/Bunch.
Spoiler:
Generic Playbooks
Pass Balanced Some Empty sets, a Trips/Bunch, multiple 4WR sets and a few Twin TE sets
Spoiler:
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Re: Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
An alternative too all of this process would be just grabbing the playbook they use right now in the FF/FI mod, add any necessary formation change or formation addition (Pistol formations, Big Nickel/Dime sets and so on) then just add that.
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Re: Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
The 3-4 defense (Base)... the Steelers played, the following in 2017..3-4 Over,Under and Base...2-4-5, 2-3-6(1-cb playing LB)..1-5-5 Prowl...they liked to use on downs between the opponents 25-45 yard lines on long downs..not much of 3-3-5 used at all..Dime 4-1-6(DE=OLBsand DT=DEs).
Butler likes to blitz more with his Safeties and nicklebacks from the slot areas..
Last year the sacks were broken down ...Defensive line 41%, LineBackers 48% and DBs 11%.
The top sack guys were:
DE Cam Heyward 12
ILB Vince Williams 8
OLB T.J. Watt 7
OLN Bud Dupree 6
DT Tyson Alualu 4
CB Mike Hilton 3
Butler likes to blitz more with his Safeties and nicklebacks from the slot areas..
Last year the sacks were broken down ...Defensive line 41%, LineBackers 48% and DBs 11%.
The top sack guys were:
DE Cam Heyward 12
ILB Vince Williams 8
OLB T.J. Watt 7
OLN Bud Dupree 6
DT Tyson Alualu 4
CB Mike Hilton 3
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Re: Possible Project: Overhauling every playbook in the Gamedata.dat file
Updated most playbooks used by the FF/FI mod up there. Now, starting with Offense (Because it is easier), I'll upload some playbooks with updated formations and formation names. Some quick rules I have for this:
I'm getting the formations I'm going to add from here. While it is not that accurate since is Madden NFL 18, it is decent enough to use, specially the Pistol/Gun formations.
- There seems to be a hard limit relating how many plays there can be in a playbook before it starts acting up and crashing the game. This limits seems to be 390-400 plays, and as such, I'll limit playbooks to that amount of plays (The Steelers playbook I uploaded a while ago has 388 plays, the Packers playbook has 378 plays).
- In most 5WR sets, I'll replace WR#5 with HB#1 or TE#1 and will create a Sub Package called "All WR" to have a true 5WR set. As I understand it most NFL teams put a HB in their Empty Sets. Generally, if it is "Singleback", there will be a HB. If it is Gun, there will be a TE. If there are 2 Gun Empty sets, one will have the TE, the other will have the HB. There will be Sub Packages to sub in the other WR, the TE (in HB sets) or the HB (in TE) sets as well.
I'm getting the formations I'm going to add from here. While it is not that accurate since is Madden NFL 18, it is decent enough to use, specially the Pistol/Gun formations.
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And be able to improvise.
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And be able to improvise.
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